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Bule 06-05-2011 11:25 PM

Najtrofejniji hrvatski klub?
 
Ovako, nisam nasao nista slicno na forumu pa da razjasnimo. Tko je najtrofejniji hrvatski klub? Od kada je dinamo po 3 put iz temelja promijeno svoju povijest bilo bi dobro kada bi netko usporedo Hajdukove trofeje sa dinamovim od '45, i sa građanskim od 1911. U suštini, dali je sada dinamo kao "nasljednik" ujedno i trofejniji od Hajduka?

Hajdukovac-RI 06-05-2011 11:47 PM

Prešli su nas po broju trofeja jer su ih pun kurac osvojili u Hrvatskoj.
U Jugi je ipak bilo "malo teže" doći do titula, tako da imaju više trofeja, ali nisu vrijedniji

osvomposlu 07-05-2011 12:12 AM

Kad vrate Croatijine dugove nek računaju i Croatijine trofeje, koje su pošteno osvojili.

rezervirano 07-05-2011 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osvomposlu (Post 245271)
Kad vrate Croatijine dugove nek računaju i Croatijine trofeje, koje su pošteno osvojili.


YAP,ovako mora razmišljati i postaviti se svaki navijac Hajduk,a posebno vodstvo Hajduka i dok ne riješe svoje dugove(kao Fiorentina primjerice) godina osnutka današnje UG NK agregat je 2001(mislim??),to što ih u ovoj banani državi vlast i zakon nisu spriječili u kršenju zakona,niti ih je HNS zbog toga izbacio u najniži rang natjecanja,a morao je,ne znači da im i ostatak države treba,odnosno smije davati legitimitet,oni su za mene klub star 10g.

Torpedo 07-05-2011 12:29 AM

Dinamo , još jednom - Dinamo , ne Građanski , ne HAŠK , Concordia , ne kurac , palac , ovaj , onaj ili prvi klub što ga Rvati osnovaše u stoljeću sedmom , nego baš Dinamo koji je osnovan 1945. , a do sada je promijenio 1945 imena , 4 puta je bio prvak Jugoslavije , 7 puta je osvajao Kup maršala Tita , 13 puta je bio prvak Hrvatske , 10 puta osvojio Hrvatski nogometni kup.
Ukupno Dinamo je osvojio 34 velika trofeja.



Hajduk je 9 puta bio prvak Jugoslavije (dva puta prije rata) i 9 puta osvajao Kup maršala Tita , 6 puta prvak Hrvatske , 5 puta osvojen Hrvatski nogometni kup.
Ukupno 29 velikih trofeja.



U Hajdukove trofeje ne računam titule prvaka FD i NR Hrvatske 1945. i 1946. jer se radilo o marginalnim natjecanjima , a ni titulu prvaka Banovine Hrvatske mada bi se to moglo računati , al ajd ... da ne natežemo.


Eto. Amen. Ključaj.:D

Bule 07-05-2011 12:48 AM

Hvala svima :D

BenficaSplit 07-05-2011 01:13 AM

Question: what's your favourite team in croatia
(it is on the SLBENFICA forum..)

look what people says:

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/4551/93281960.jpg

^^

jerkovac 07-05-2011 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenficaSplit (Post 245284)
Question: what's your favourite team in croatia
(it is on the SLBENFICA forum..)

look what people says:

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/4551/93281960.jpg

^^

:thumbsup:

If you put similar question here about protuguese clubs, the answer would be 100% Benfica..

I'm sorry for your defeat against Braga, it was on croatian TV, but i hope Braga will defeat Porto ;)

abatenoj 07-05-2011 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerkovac (Post 245289)
:thumbsup:

If you put similar question here about protuguese clubs, the answer would be 100% Benfica..

I'm sorry for your defeat against Braga, it was on croatian TV, but i hope Braga will defeat Porto ;)

a Sporting? :)

Vito Corleone 07-05-2011 01:35 PM

partizan :D

BenficaSplit 07-05-2011 06:40 PM

braga, porto, sporting.. its all shit..
well, we hate more porto and braga than sporting.. sporting WAS (not anymore) a big club.. now its just a club that we laugh and joke :D
but if we talk about braga or porto (north of the country), we're talking about barbarians and corruption .
when the porto's president have videos on youtube trying to ''buy'' the referees, paying them, sending bitches to their hotel, ... and nothing happens.. well.. its the portuguese football.. i could send the videos, but its on portuguese and you wont understand anything..
in italy, milan, juventus and others went to 2nd division and started with -20 points.
porto only lost 6 points when they had +20 to the 2nd place, in 2007 or 2008..
and im not talking about the barbarian people that they are.. someone who throws golf balls, chickens, stones, to the bus of the players and to the field, is someone coward...
sometimes, that things makes results like porto 5-0 benfica happens..


at this 0.50secs:


so, beetween braga and porto, i hope both lost.. if possible, eeveryone brake a leg..:D

Hajdukovac-RI 07-05-2011 06:55 PM

Why do you hate Braga?

You said this: sporting WAS (not anymore) a big club.. now its just a club that we laugh and joke

Hajduk also was a big club... :mad:

Hajdukovac-RI 07-05-2011 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bule (Post 245264)
Ovako, nisam nasao nista slicno na forumu pa da razjasnimo. Tko je najtrofejniji hrvatski klub? Od kada je dinamo po 3 put iz temelja promijeno svoju povijest bilo bi dobro kada bi netko usporedo Hajdukove trofeje sa dinamovim od '45, i sa građanskim od 1911. U suštini, dali je sada dinamo kao "nasljednik" ujedno i trofejniji od Hajduka?

Mi: 17 naslova (ne znam je li onaj iz 1945. vjerodostojan, pa ga ne računam),
14 kupova
Titula u Jugi:20
Titula u Hrvatskoj: 11

Oni:17 naslova,
17 kupova
Kup velesajamskih gradova
Titula u Jugi:12
Titula u Hrvatskoj: 23

Superkupove ne računam, nema smisla, jebeš trofej za koji se igra jedna utakmica.

Dakle, prema broju trofeja je 35:31 za njih.
Na njihovoj strani je činjenica što su osvojili više trofeja iako su mlađi od nas 34 godine.
Na našoj strani je činjenica da smo osvojili osam trofeja više u Jugoslaviji koja je bila peta-šesta liga u Europi i gdje je bilo neusporedivo teže doći do naslova.

Torcida Kr 07-05-2011 07:38 PM

Istina je da ako gledamo brojke Dinamo ima više trofeja, ali to ga ne čini većim klubom. Hajduk je, ka šta je Hajdukovac-RI reka, osvojia puno više trofeja od Dinama u ligi bivše države, koja je po kvaliteti bila među 10 najboljih na svijetu. Dinamo je, istina, osvojia više trofeja u samostalnoj Hrvatskoj, ali budimo realni, popriličan broj tih trofeja je osvojen na dosta mutan način, pogotovo u razdoblju od 1995.-2000. kad je Croatia osvojila 8 od 10 mogućih trofeja, a ti su naslovi (sitimo se kako su ukradeni naslovi Rijeci i Varteksu), često osvajani uz obilatu pomoć sudaca i HNS-a. Dinamovci će možda reć da su oni osvojilli Kup velesajamskih gradova 1967. godine, ali i Hajduk je ima velikih uspjeha u Europi (3 puta u četvrtfinalu Lige prvaka, jednom u polufinalu Kupa UEFA, jednom u polufinalu Kupa pobjednika kupova...), a i mi smo europske upjehe ostvarivali u vremenima (pogotovo tu mislin na 80-te i 90-te) kad je konkurencija bila puno jača. Osim toga, Hajduk je klub star 100 godina, koji nikad nije mijenjao svoje ime, boju dresa, identitet ili grb (ako ne računamo onaj iz bivše države koji je bija nametnut), a Dinamu ni sami ne znaju koliko je klub star, a i Hajduk ukupno gledajući ima i uvik je ima veći broj navijača. Zato mislin da je Hajduk ipak puno veći klub od Dinama, uostalom pitajte navijače Rijeke ili Osijeka koga im je veći gušt pobijedit, svi će vam reć Hajduk.

BenficaSplit 07-05-2011 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hajdukovac-RI (Post 245321)
Why do you hate Braga?

You said this: sporting WAS (not anymore) a big club.. now its just a club that we laugh and joke

Hajduk also was a big club... :mad:

well, sporting lisbon is a big club, more than braga.
braga never won anything.. last year they get the 2nd place and this year are on the europa league final (nice uh.. they go there and are worse than benfica, and benfica dont go..)

But sporting in 30 years, won 3 championships and some portugal cups. sporting is losing the ''force''.. obviously its a big club, they're the 3rd biggest club on portugal 3rd with more tittles..
(1st benfica.. but now porto(2nd) is getting on 1st )..
porto is winning everything, every year.. this year is the example.

benfica had 5 competitions to win, won 1, and lost the other 4 to porto
benfica lost Supercup of portugal vs Porto
benfica lost championship vs porto (lose 2-1 on our stadium and see porto celebrating in our stadium.. can be worse? (yea..)
benfica lost on semi-finals portugal cup (won 2-0 on porto, and porto come to lisbon and won 3-1) 3-3 porto 3 goals away, are on final.
Benfica lost vs braga europa cup and porto will win it on final..

so.. all we had to win, porto will win.. shit happens uh..
anyway, on europa league, try to play vs sporting, braga or other portuguese team, and ii assure you you'll have thousands of us supporting you :D

jerkovac 08-05-2011 02:01 PM

Yeah, all true, but i read sonewhere that Befica has the largest number of registered fans that are registerd in club. Largest club membership in the world.

And also a commentator on tv said that Porto's stadium was half empty when they played quarterfinals of European leauge, that's shit.

What makes a great club aren't just bumber of won trophies, i strongly believe that fans are part of club and the fans also make some club big or small !!

BenficaSplit 08-05-2011 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerkovac (Post 245347)
Yeah, all true, but i read sonewhere that Befica has the largest number of registered fans that are registerd in club. Largest club membership in the world.

And also a commentator on tv said that Porto's stadium was half empty when they played quarterfinals of European leauge, that's shit.

What makes a great club aren't just bumber of won trophies, i strongly believe that fans are part of club and the fans also make some club big or small !!

15 days ago was 235.009 benfica fans..
http://serbenfiquista.com/forum/inde...pic=30038.6885
but only on 2015 it will ''refresh'', and get an update. some doesnt pay, others are already dead, ...

oh, but porto is a club of the city.. i mean, of the north of portugal
Benfica have fans worldwide. in Paris, this year, it was around 30.000 benfica fans on paris..
some years ago, vs lille, on lille stadium, it was full of benfica fans..
some people says that in portugal (portugal have 10Millions people) 6millions are benfica fans.. i dont think that, but, when benfica wins, the country is happy.

last year, when we won the championship, we had 300, 400.000 people celebrating on Lisbon streets.. so..

2 videos. 1 in lille, france ; other the people on lisbon celebrating championship ..
(this topic looks more a benfica topic than ''best croatian club'' :D )


1st - benfica fans in france.. i only see red colors.. ups.. benfica is very big :D


300 or 400.000 fans in lisbon celebrating the championship, with the players:


Torcida Kr 09-05-2011 11:06 AM

I think Benfica in Portugal is the same like Hajduk in Croatia. Croatia has 4,5 million people, and at least 1,2-1,5 million people support Hajduk. The most of fans live off course on the south of country, but Hajduk also has many fans in other places in Croatia, and Dinamo has the most of fans only in Zagreb (1 million people) and on the north of the country. Hajduk also has many fans in Australia, Germany, USA, Canada, Switzerland where a lot of Croatian people live. Hajduk also has many fans in Scottland (I know some Celtic fans who also support Hajduk) and Portugal (:D) because of his good results in Europe in the past (quarter-finals of Champions League 3 times, semifinals of UEFA cup once, quarter-finals of UEFA Cup once...) and because of his great fans.

Bukowski 09-05-2011 02:54 PM

You ppl all know our supporter from Hungary.Guy with "Torcida Budapest" scarf,I think he also got banner.I spoke with him,coz my frends father is Hungaryan and he speaks the language.Long story short,guy has no family in Croatia,he doesnt got roots here,hes a 100% Hungaryan.I was interested how come he support Hajduk,none the less,he comes every now and then here,travels a lot....He sad:In 94,when Hajduk played Champions League,he saw a match vs Anderlecht in Split,and he was amazed by fans...Playing in Europe competitions every year means a lot,like lets say Barcelona has "millions" of fans,but these fans doesnt make club big,fan who watch on TV isnt a real fan,but guys like him,who came here even once a year are reason why club is a big club.And no matter number of won trophys Hajduk will ALLWAYS be a much greater club than Dinamo.Like Benfica will allways be a greater club than Porto.They have fans,they have history,they have Eusebio,what the hell Porto has?!?If you look trophys,especially "new" one,are Chelsea,and even effin Manchester City big clubs?No,Cardiff is big club,West Ham,Tottenham,history you cant buy.

BenficaSplit 09-05-2011 08:25 PM

very well bukowsky . i agree 100% .-

torcida Kr, here, in portugal, we like and love hajduk (as we love benfica) not only for the reasons you've said.
on 94, 9 benfica fans went to split by car (van) to watch the game of hajduk vs benfica.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xrDdqI3jAm...400/split1.jpg

(that photo now is the main scarf of the NNBoys)

http://www.leiloes.net/upload_tmp/6/...56742_abig.jpg

and this scarf is in honour of the friendship:

http://www.coisas.com/ipix/2/2028252...g?x=1301523535

you can see on the ''sal'' 9 guys, the guys that was on the accident

Before the game, the leader (Gullit) have talked with torcida members and saw that there was no reason to have fights or riots.. why would torcida members fight with the portuguese fans who was just there to watch the game? then, after some drinks, benfica and hajduk fans went to the stadium.
then, i think it was in split, (if not, it was on benfica stadium) benfica fans rised up a banner saying ''Freedom for croatia''
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_alS7J2hS93...zade+Split.jpg

when coming back to lisbon, 3 of the 9 boys died in a car accident in spain, (tino, gullit (NN Leader) and Rita. 2 boys and 1 girl.) and was when the friendship started.
in the 2nd match of the champions league, 9 guys of torcida came to portugal by car in honour of benfica fans, and before the game, they gave some flowers to the south stand (NN Boys stand).

and, was when friendship started...
i think that its almost this, maybe have something else..

2009 by torcida: (hajduk 2-0 dinamo zagreb :) )
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xrDdqI3jAm...1f20c4ca_o.jpg

2010
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xrDdqI3jAm...0/icut4178.jpg

2011
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5x_cmw1JUj...11+%283%29.jpg


(sempre presentes - always present is the slogan of the group)

and, this year benfica fans also did something to celebrate ''100 godina''


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